Do you have a general idea a little bit deeper so he mentioned that it's a symbolic pattern matching issue that's right so today how AI is measured right it's measured in different ways in across language internally for our application usage of course but all I can what I can discuss is a little bit more publicly facing so that example that I just spoke about those three things on Fridays on Saturdays on Sunday pick double the amount that he did on Friday but which was five of the Kiwis they picked on Sunday were too small and then it asked how many total Kiwis did Kevin deck so typical mathematics instead it's subtracted the five from the Sunday even though it's completely so that's actually one of the really interesting things that you learned so we hire Engineers based on their rational thinking then knowledge and they're not questions in our interview Cycles so apply to tiktok we will give you one page to cheat until you these are the things we will interview on don't get the intimidated by that studied through your degree and some of the panelists mention if you I saw some statistic about that background well increasing AI will increasing the 300,000 jobs so a trending so what are the questions what are the key here in qualities but company looking for hiring so many of you software Engineers but something that you 'll notice that they hiring across machine learning and AI researchers across where does AI what how does AI feed into some of these roles and they don't fit into every role intrinsically but there's a reason to that and I'll explain that later but I might just ask a very simple question and does framework it does anyone know where the deficiency of that framework to go up the last three days there was a research paper released by apple and would you know or anyone know where the deficiency was identified there was one layer of deficiency that was identified by Apple recently that needs to be covered have a natural first to learn and you have an actual models of problem solving will be very successful in your job searching pathway and I think you'll be very successful if you have the troubleshooting methodology and able to explain that so sometimes I see Engineers able to get to the answer very well very quickly unable to explain how they start want actually taking reading all the CDs and calling everybody itself or you have friends and members are you working in real estate as well okay so you understand an appraiser on day-to-day job so for examples you get a job right and it says this is a common Mascot and they desktop as well where you have to actually physically be there and going into apartments and property and taking photos and doing researchers you're going to different websites see similar evaluation just sold all that stuff and you data with a proper validation and then valuation itself has to go to peer review and your teammates have just all your leaders and then you mortgage that's just be very long yes so this is what we do we're doing very niche market and we service this the whole access will total of accessible market is around the Australia is 193,000 but as we talking about so many boats here they want to also doing sales 3 million transactions every year and so that's a big market we're looking at and we want to attribute this platform as AI as possible as efficient as possible there's a lot of new technologies coming through generators AI that you don't even have to write anything you just speak to it and pops up with the time with your designated yeah so I'm not from actually a technical background I'm from Business School backgrounds so in AI companies in school need the people like me you know and John as well we're going out and it basically we'll talk into investors day every single day and he just came back from Silicon Valley and he was there and talking to all the funds and investors as well so this is what we doing in addition it's all the Engineers and operations so many hiring opportunities here and to start with it I think it'll be good if you can talk to John and me later to start as an intern and moving on and Gain experiences thank you very much stand yeah that's very interesting question actually wasn't context as well if you rejected by tiktok and at least with me I'm also gay I they do independent benchmarking so let's say that's some aspects of AI at least I feel like there's quite like some life differences in like what really like using the apis a whole bunch of different I think for me what is most important as this card you have to at least choose some interest that you're willing to your hands for example right like if even for example if you for example to just like put it up using some prompts and then like point it for example I think that already shows quite like a lives that compared to it's like some people right now I think as being like but if you could show that you are in True conversation true understanding and what you think AI can bring to the wall to people like the way for example i think you already understand and even better if you try a lot of a lot of models aside you can see for example was actually interacting with the apis and trying to make things in trying to make like for example I tried making a project where our be able to pass in like a document that I might have presentation for example and then automate like I know that's already with it in the early days it wasn't much that going around and I think really showed that I had at least I was willing to get a bit and I encouraged everyone you're interested in it I think that really goes along so yes so contacts at relevance with few weeks looking at double the size of our team over the next six months I'd say a couple of things first of all working and startup is unbelievably fantastic opportunity straight out of the uni you get to touch way more you have to get a lot more responsibility and I could not recommend it more fantastic we love the high people from tiktok so build something people love at least we must be for ourselves we love to see you've built some things you not just studied but you've actually built things but there was something that's actually like really hard like really cool I've used so many tic tac toe games I have played with so many to do lists apps or like simple chatbots I get it I assume that you can do that do something that really hard we're really interesting or really different to stand out from that say you've just millions and millions of like apps and that doesn't always been doing something like technology difficult it might mean just doing one of those things I mentioned but making it like feel awesome to use or look really cool or just like yeah I highly recommend you wouldn't believe how little across the board I certainly understand everyone's busy you've got anyone but if you want to stand out actually that's my number one advice for people to jobs so I've brought Michael along with me from tiktok so if you have any interest in audio research audio AI so yeah we like that I said we're always it's a job but I think there's much more than a job when you're cv's being with that so you want to make an interesting I think you want to make it you want to highlight out your interesting components of your there are many companies that hiring great edges so you're as long as you're doing very interesting Partners like tips always research opportunities open anyone of our places so please after this and let us know what you're interested in the direction these days you are the key marketer for brand carbon you all right you have to do personal branding yourself to stand out from the crowd if you you have to actually think about who you are what you stand for what contribution you can actually provided to the society or the organisations and you have to do it regularly every day of frequencies to say well that stuff so this is called a personal branding part of the business try your best to stand out from crowd it's a very competitive market now Labor market not many startups Sur vive and so we want to even start up not tiktok not how you want to stand out we can talk as well branding all right thank you follow us on tiktok should help so I want to change our discussion for now Direction actually there's another part which is found so so I will network in with them any economy like you are still there you had the election AI just erased i remember so yeah it's really it's very awesome story and the curious ago why this might be very Scarlet yeah I guess like for me what I found so I told you about it earlier I actually ended up dropping out a uni and not because that's like the cool thing they tell you to doing movies I found my relationship with Uni was not valuable to me because it I didn't feel like I was getting hands on enough and I think I made a mistake I actually studied business school I actually kind of wish I studied because I felt like one of the most valuable things I could do at the time was to just things and at the time I'm sure things have changed I felt like you need just how I got into the start of space because it turns out there's lots of startups out there at early stages i don't know how early things like attention so early jobs desperate for honestly out there because it's really hard to be start off it's really hard to attract Talent and you competing against the likes to tiktok and Amazons and Googles so they'll plenty style out there made for you guys on really ultimately ended up taking me down a path where the start of my own company before relevance and didn't have time to do that and uni and then forgot to tell Unity I wasn't going to show up to uni anymore and they got really upset of me lots of lots of drama but I think that was the one thing is just like crazy to get hands on I want to crave to become a founder I think that's a kind of silly concept it's a tiring chocolate it's like it's not like it's definitely not an idealistic job by any means and also I don't think it's like the right incentives be found I think crazy hands on that takes you into the startup world I highly highly recommend it doesn't as long as you can do that I think that's the best way to grow i'm sure I have label thoughts on this topic that's what comes to mind and it's really quickly as well currently I'm actually my fourth startup so I remember from like my very first year of uni I was like very eager to the startup world i was crazy but I think like looking back on all my experiences like one of the most learnings and once really important about that hR this crypto game startup it's kind of sketchy to be honest but i was trying to make this campaign for like this horrible no one has time to and I think being very specially if you experience that I've got because when you what's happening struggle at all I have to be you can get at a startup you really well I study on that like a lot of the startup world is about serendipity whether you won't work out because you get throwing the deep end and then Yoda didn't work out I think one really important thing to know about the summer world is that because it's more if you get in there and you find a way to make them happy stop that you are in even if the startup ends up dying you will meet the right people and build some really relationships and like my two co-founders I met them here you said in the startup incubate off at the time doing my best start up five years before we started relevance and yeah five years laid off journey's realigned and it's easy to look at that start up on paper and then the next three things after that all failed as well and like regret them but I think what I found in the start serendipity